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06 February 2006

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Ronnie Smartt

Thanks, Tony. Most interesting. I am not sure however how we can resolve these questions, in a wholly satisfactory way, before legislating. I see in para 24 of the Joint Committee's report that the department, presumably with the backing of Treasury Counsel and/or its own lawyers thinks, unlike the Committee, that academies and trust schools are public bodies. It is conceivable that after some discussion one will see the other's point of view. In the end however some aggrieved parent or defensive school may elicit a judgment contrary to the opinion of the legislators. Other questions may also arise in practice and probably will. Nevertheless, since we do try specifically to HRA-proof new legislation, is there an argument for some kind of constitutional body which would issue an appropriate certificate, which would in turn be binding on the courts?

peterharvey

Ronnie,

>>Nevertheless, since we do try specifically to HRA-proof new legislation, is there an argument for some kind of constitutional body which would issue an appropriate certificate, which would in turn be binding on the courts?>>

If I may jump in from Spain, I would say that that is precisely what the Constitutional Court is for. A few years ago the Spanish Parliament passed a law banning any political party that was part of a terrorist organisation; clearly it was aimed at Batasuna, the Sinn Fein equivalent. The judges of the Constitutional Court gave it the green light.

Of course, you do need a defined, written Constitution for the Constitutional Court to interpret...

Ronnie Smartt

No, Peter. If I may intrude again on Tony's space and patience, I was not thinking of a written constitution but simply of a relationship between a proposed law and the HRA Perhaps I should think more widely.

peterharvey

It seems to me that the problem is that the British doctrine of Parliamntary sovereignty makes it impossible to entrench anything because anything can be changed by a simple majority in Parliament. The HRA could be repealed for example, or amended by Parliament with no authority in a position to prevent it.

The purpose of a written Constitution is not to codify what happens now, but to establish a framework that can't be tinkered with for short-term advantage.

Tony Hatfield

Peter,
The HRA could of course be repealed, but HMG would have to withdraw both from the EU and the Council of Europe to escape the Convention's provisions. I suspect that's about as unlikely to happen as the re-introduction of the death penalty!.
t

peterharvey

Tony,

What you say is of course true. But the UK is already the only country that feels that waging the GWOT requires a derogation from part of the ECHR.

Peter

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